EP 377 - How To Market Your Therapy Practice in 2026: 5 Women Who Started Their Online Therapy Business

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If you provide therapy in any form and want to build your online practice, this video is for you. I brought together five women who are all in the therapy field, and who have all recently started their online coaching business. We're talking about how they made the move, where the line between therapy and coaching really is, and the opportunity waiting for you if you've been coaching-curious.

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If you are somebody who provides therapy, this episode is for you. I have brought together five women that I work with who are all in that field, providing therapy in one way or another, and they are also all coaches. So we're gonna talk today about what, how they got into the coaching field, and what an opportunity there might be for you if you are listening. I'm Debbie Shadid. I help women over 50 build beautiful boutique-style coaching businesses without ads and without complicated tech. So I am so excited to introduce everybody. I'm gonna start with you, Jennifer. Welcome. Hi, Debbie. Thanks so much for hosting us. I'm Jennifer Flanders, and I'm a life and career coach for psychotherapists. I help coaches make room in their own lives for themselves. I love that. Okay, Dr. Michelle So I'm Dr. Michelle Alden, and I'm a licensed professional counselor in the state of Idaho, and, I'm a family specialist and, work with families that have kids with challenging behaviors. And through coaching, I'm able to do that across the state lines and help more families. That is so good. How about you, Marsha? Hi, I'm Marsha Landon, and I'm a retired therapist. And I spent some time taking some time off, and I decided I still had a lot more to give to the community. So my focus is working with women who want to write their next chapter in their life. Beautiful. And I know Marsha was a therapist for how many years? 17. 17 years, that's awesome. All right, Erin, So I am also a retired therapist who, as a therapist, specialized in anxiety, trauma, and depression. But now for my coaching I specialize in helping women see their anxiety as undesirable bad habits instead of parts of who we actually are. Oh my gosh, I love that. Thank you so much. And Dr. Cheryl, I'm Dr. Cheryl Williams-Jackson, and I am… I'm gonna say it this way, I'm a coach who became a therapist who became a coach. And so I've just taken all of them and put them together, and I focus on women in professions where they provide services to women who are, whether they're patients, clients, or they're educators. And so I am, work around burnout and mental wellness and resilience. And I also a retired professor as well. I love it. Well, tell me, Jennifer, what is the difference between therapy and coaching? What a great question, and given that we tend to be a skeptical bunch we therapists, it's important to differentiate. And so for me, my outlook is, let me start with therapy. As a therapist, we spend a lot of time looking at the past, looking at diagnostically important information. It often involves having a diagnosis, is often part of the medical system. And so that is therapy and it, the goal is to create healing and to work through the things of the past. And so I would, I put on my other hat, my coaching hat I haven't decided what it looks like yet, but Coaching is really about focusing on the present and the future, and so looking at a possibility in how to cultivate or envision parts of ourself that we have let go or not tended to over the years and we want to reinvigorate. And so it's trying to cultivate and create a transformation of ourselves for the future. Thank you. I'm gonna move to Dr. Michelle. How would somebody know that what's right for therapy and what's right for coaching? Oh, that's a good question, too. And I just wanted to add first that one of the things I really loved about coaching was…'Cause as a therapist, I wanna help people get unstuck, and I feel like sometimes we just sit with people in this thing, and week after week it's come on," "Let's get going." And as a coach, I feel like we're able to be more directive and any, coach would be telling you more "You need to do these things," and, and so there's a… I think that's one of the differences, too. I do think that coming at it from a mental health perspective, there are for sure things that people struggle with that are, trauma and, diagnosis that they need to be able to sit in the pain and have somebody help them to identify that and work through that and talk through it. I think that talk therapy, I know for me, being able to talk through things can be really helpful. And with coaching, it… you might not have as much opportunity to just tell the story as many times as you need to tell the story to move through it. And, and so sometimes it… I think there's just a deeper layer that needs to, needs therapy involvement I have heard from a lot of therapists and have had the honor and privilege to support a lot of therapists grow their business, and what you just said, Michelle, is a very common thing that people tell me on the call is while it's important that you go through the talk therapy part I'm just tired of staying in the same place and talking about the same thing, and I wanna, give them wings to fly," and that's a different sort of process. So very exciting. Dr. Cheryl, I'd love to find out about the skepticism part around therapists, coaches, and I think, Jennifer mentioned it too, there is a lot of doubt around, well, is this a legitimate thing, So if you wanna speak on that would be great. Yeah. I think it starts in our grad schools where and I know this is my experience, is that and all of my degrees are in psychology, so I've heard it from my BA all the way up to my doctorate, that, you don't wanna be a coach, you want to be a therapist. And it wasn't until I got to the point of my doctorate that I understood the difference between the two. And so the, I think the concern is really around that you're not, as a therapist, you're reaching way back for people, and you're trying to solve problems, whereas coaching, I think it was Aaron said, you wanna take them forward from the present to forward. And I think that the concern is that we're not reaching too far back to get rid of the pro- problem, that we may be just sugarcoating the problem, but coaches are not there to work on the long-term problem that someone has. We're trying to help them to move from here to there in the best way possible for them. So I think that's where it's coming from. Marsha, how do you determine with somebody when they need therapy and when they need coaching? And are you willing, and would you say that all the coaches are willing to say, "I think I should be partnering with a therapist as well as a coach," or how do you determine? Do you tell somebody to go back to therapy? Yes. I have told people that they need more help than I can give them. Mm-hmm. And that the client usually presents with questions regarding trauma, childhood issues, and at that point you have to decide that they need more therapy than they, they need coaching. Yeah. And if I can add something to that. I actually in my coaching business, I have always had at least two therapists that are my referral, and I meet with them twice a year for lunch where we talk about me referring, and I have referred people to them. it's a part of my training even as a, someone working with individuals in human services who are becoming social workers or future, psychologists. The exact same thing they learn. They actually start learning how to be a coach, and then they are put with, through their practicum, they are put with therapists where they're there to support them. That has been a main part of also my coach training, was to how to differentiate when to refer out someone, and this was a specific training for therapists becoming coaches. And so making sure to differentiate, and making that clear right from the get-go that should things come up, that you will refer them to someone, who is a qualified helping professional. And when I talk to therapists, one of the things that comes up is therapists often don't wanna say that they're a therapist, which I understand. It's because, they wanna be careful about, I'm licensed in Idaho," or, "I'm licensed in…" They don't wanna be crossing any lines. But I always think wow, the value that you bring to your coaching while you are separating out what a therapist does, the value that you bring is so different. And I have to say that, so many coaches, other coaches, life coaches, whatever coaches, I can't say for sure, but I think they cross the line sometimes in helping with trauma that they should not be helping with, where I believe all of you guys are very clear about, "Here's the line, and I'm gonna help you with this." And, you guys are trained with that, so I think that's, an added benefit to be a therapist and a coach. It's not that you're doing the therapy, but clearly when somebody needs therapeutic help versus coaching help. I was just saying that I think for me, that was one of the struggles I had in just calling myself a coach was there's a lot of education and a lot of training and, I was a counselor for a lot of years and I still do some counseling. And so When you see all these other people that are… it's very vague, what they're coaching on, I think that was a struggle. But when I started working with you, that was one of the things I really appreciated is that you're the expertise of each one of the coaches in their field, whether they've been a counselor first or not. I, I think that's helped me to really define what I'm doing in coaching and not feel like, oh, I'm just throwing everything away that I worked so hard, to develop and now I'm just a coach, It's it's… And I appreciate that about the work that you do. It's very s- very specific, and so then that makes it so that we're working specifically with the people that we wanna work with. Yeah. And Debbie, I think that there is hope because on the East Coast there's this thing called psychiatric rehabilitation, which is run by many of the states. They actually give credentials to individuals, and I'm gonna give you another name for it. It's a coach. It's a mental wellness coach. And but on the East Coast, it's really big where it's the state that is giving them certification. As far as I know, on the West Coast, we have a program, and in our program, the county actually pays for, students to become mental wellness coaches, but they call them psychosocial rehabilitation specialists. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So yeah. I love that. Jennifer, did you wanna add? Yeah. I was just thinking about how, a lot of the skills that we learn as therapists are translatable to coaching. A lot like the reflective listening, summarizing, allowing for space therapeutic silence or allowing for silence to, for the person to have their own insights. A lot of that is applicable, yeah, I'll say that again, applicable to being a coach. And so therapists have a lot of the skills already that make them a really effective coach. the reverse isn't true, though. Coaches, you might be great at what you do. It doesn't make you licensed or ethically able to do therapy, totally agree, yes. Yeah. Yes. I try to tell people on the calls when I have consultations,"Wait a minute. That is not the lane that you can be in," right?"If you wanna coach on this, you can coach on this, but you can't, you gotta stay out of the things that, are not under the umbrella of coaching." So Erin, share with us what brought you to coaching, out of therapy into coaching. So I left coaching… I love coaching. I joined coaching. I left therapy and being a therapist, not long after COVID happened. Just years of working with clients on deep trauma histories, I experienced a lot of burnout, and probably could've used a coach myself at that time. But I wanted to come back to it. I wasn't done with, psychology and therapy and helping people. it's why I got into it. I just, I enjoy it so much. And so I wanted a way to come back and help, but not in such a structured, formal way with having a license and only being in one state. And I have a lot of international travel background, so I wanted to be able to have the flexibility to help people in a way that I specialize in, but also have the flexibility to kinda live my life the way I want to at this point in my life. And I wanna be international, so this allows me the flexibility to do both. I like to think of my coaching methods as therapy adjacent. Something that would support someone if they were in therapy, or if they don't require therapy, it can also help. If that makes any sense at all. Yeah, so good. So Marsha, what is the, a myth about coaching that you think is keeping therapists stuck? they're not taking the next step because they think, something. what is it that they're, they have on their mind about coaching? I think they don't feel that maybe they use a lot of their skills, their background, their education that they're actually lowering themselves into a position that they don't see, they don't see themselves in a coach. But in reality, so many therapists are coaches in themselves. And I worked under the medical model when I worked at a psychiatric clinic here in Seattle, but I deviated from that. I brought in other areas of a person's life, not in the past, but where they were. And so therapists are already coaches. I really feel that. And, so that's what I have to say about that. I love it. Well, I know there are a lot of therapists that are on the fence, for sure, about should they be coaching, should they not? And so many people… Does anybody wanna speak about the red tape that you feel like is, that you're tangled up in as a therapist? This is also a common thread that I hear on consultation calls is like, "I just wanna get out of the control that…" And that, that's not the word they use, but does anyone wanna speak to that about insurance and about, following the rules? And yeah, Michelle, go ahead. Yeah. I for me, I was take- seeing mostly Medicaid clients, and in order to do that, to do what I do as a coach here, my practice became an agency so that I could have other people basically doing coaching and going into the home and doing what I was doing. But to get it all paid, all that, there was tons of red tape with that, waiting for insurance payments things like that. It was just… It's… and I could see it was gonna get more and more difficult. And so I feel like I got out just in time. And, and it and also, and I think this is where there's been some learning too of I'm used to doing a lot of intake and a lot of paperwork for the parents to fill out, and-… this is a lot quicker in being able to talk to them and get them help. I can literally talk to them one day, and they could be in a group the next day or they could be, getting in one of my programs the next week. And there's no wait list. And I think that's so refreshing when you're talking to people that are in crisis and you're not telling them, maybe in six months we can…" So I think it has made it easier. I think that as therapists we have really good boundaries about the client relationship that we have. And as a coach, I feel like I'm still learning that. I think I had some good practice because I was literally in the homes with people, so I had access to people in a different way than I would just as a therapist. So there's some of that. But creating that same feel online that families, the parents can feel like I'm right there and I don't have to physically come, I think is, has also been a, like a learning curve Yeah. Interesting. I hadn't thought about the wait list for a therapist or trying to find a therapist, and you're right. Literally somebody could talk to you that day and be getting their problem solved that same night. Like- Can I add to that? Yeah. In your case, they're emergencies. Yeah, go ahead, Erin. just along the lines of what she was saying, I've worked in community mental health, I've worked in private practice, and I've worked in hospitals. as any therapist will tell you when it comes to not taking cash, but actually billing private insurance or government insurance, you have to have a diagnosis for that. And there are a group of people, we would call them the walking well, who might struggle with, anxiety or depression, not to a clinical level, but to a, a level that still is uncomfortable and disruptive to their life. But if they don't qualify for services, then you can't help them. And again, one of the things I think with coaching, especially the lane I'm in with anxiety, I think there is a space for someone who's not clinically struggling with anxiety but could still want to improve and feel better every day, and I think that's a helpful spot to fill. And it could go both ways. You could have people who maybe don't qualify for therapy but want help or people who don't feel comfortable going and contacting a therapist and seeking medical help, right?'Cause that's how we all see therapy and, and doctors is, "I don't wanna go to a doctor for this, But I feel more comfortable signing up with a coach." So that puts me in a position to help someone who might not seek formal help recognize some stuff that's "This I can help you with. This is a little outside my range," what we were talking before, and encourage them to seek more deeper help. I love that you brought that up because I specifically work with therapists. I, my specialty is working with therapists, and I think that therapists often fall into that category of the walking well. Is that what we call it? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so they're hesitant. do I need a therapist, or could someone benefit from coaching? And so I specialize in helping therapists figure out that they actually don't have to be sick in order to get better. They can just get better. And- I love that. I know. It's what my, my, one of my favorite coaches introduced that to me. you can still improve your life without having a diagnosis, without needing a diagnosis. And Jennifer, I just love how you said that because it is so true. And often you will see where therapists, they won't go to another therapist. And why, I don't know. But actually in my training, was a part of learning how to be a therapist to therapists. and I would sit there going,"I think this person needs a coach," in place of a therapist. But I also love that one of the things I heard, as all of us were talking about the, the red line, I think that was your question, was that it doesn't relieve us as coaches of our ethical responsibilities. I'm only saying this because it is a huge conversation going on around this. And so for me, like for instance, I don't have dual relationships even in coaching. I don't have the dual relationship. I wouldn't, provide coaching to a client, someone who's been a client of mine for seven years. I wouldn't even touch it. or being responsible for the paperwork or, things like that. I think we still, we have, as people in the therapeutic field, we have a strong knowledge of the ethical things that we have to do, and I think that's what stops us, is that we don't wanna cross that line, that red line you were talking about, because we know the harm that it can cause. And I think it's just us trying to figure out and trying to find guidance is what I hear from most people. They need the guidance on how do I do this now as a coach. Yeah. There, I I don't think most people know that there's the ICF, International Federation of Coaches. And they offer training programs and, that there are they address ethics and there are core competencies on what you need to learn as a coach. And so there are definitely well-structured guiding bodies that can help train people to do ethical coaching. So there's a lot of opportunity. I just keep thinking in myself I would want to hire a coach that was a therapist. I would… I would immediately see credibility. I hate to say it, that you might have a rank of credibility over somebody else. So for some of the therapists, again, going back to what I said, the therapists who are like, "Don't put on there. I don't wanna put on my thing that I'm a former therapist," I'm like, are you kidding me? It just says you have a level of knowledge and experience that's so different. So that's, that is, interesting to know, Jennifer, about that. Is there any- anybody else wants to add to this conversation for somebody that might be listening who's like, "I don't know. it's… Is this really something that can happen for me?" What do you guys think? I think that it, I think it's valid to say that one of the big switches is as a therapist, like people know they now know what counseling is and insurance companies will pay for that. And so moving from that to private pay, I think there's a little bit of education that we have to maybe even give ourselves about understanding that we are, like, like we've talked about, that we're like, we're asking people to pay for a transformation. Wherein counseling, like their insurance is paying for almost like the experience of it and to work through thi- just a different way to look at it and encourage people.'Cause I get asked all the time because people that know that I'm a therapist, they're like, "Oh, will insurance cover what you're doing now?" And so I think that's a big thing that therapists have to look at… and realize. Like it's a different mindset for our clients too. and on that note, there is an expectation in coaching that your clients participate and that they want to be involved. And I always think of it as like forward-leaning energy, that they wanna participate. They want to do the things, the set… There's goal setting, right? My first question in a coaching session is what do you wanna take out of our time today, either in hand or in mind? What would you like to get out of this? And so that goal-oriented leaning forward energy of creating change is there, versus often in therapy it's leaning back- and being more creating space and h- allowing. And so it's a different energy. Agreed. To get started, what was your… One of you guys or two of you, if you wanna share, what was the journey to,"Okay, I think I'm gonna explore this. I think I'm gonna get in business." How did all of that work for you? For somebody that's listening who's like, "I don't even know what the next step would be," how did that work? I'd like to address that Debbie. Having been a therapist, I am retired. I really wanted to give more back to the community. I had so much more to give, and I thought, "How can I do that?" Because the therapists that I know never really retire. We just don't retire because of what we've been through ourselves, whether we've been in therapy ourselves because we were therapists to keep those particular boundaries with our own clients So during COVID is when it hit me. I thought, Zoom, what can I do? So I decided I would look into coaching, because then I didn't need to have a license, I had the skills, and I thought, "That is something I can do. I really want to do this." So I took a coaching class. That was fine, and then I decided I needed more, so that's when I joined Brave Thinking. And I thought, "This is the perfect opportunity for me," because, like I said, I could transition from being a therapist to being a coach. And you know what? I love it. I just love it. So that's what happened to me during COVID. And I kept getting these glimpses of, what can I do next? Because, I didn't wanna sit at home and try to read or do this or that, and I can only travel so much. So I thought, "This is a perfect opportunity for me." So that's why I decided to become a coach. Well, for sure. You get to work from home, and if you're like Erin, you get to work abroad as well. So you get to do it, you get to do it your way. Anything anybody else wants to add about the challenges that a therapist has transitioning or what it looks like or what the joy of it? as a, retired therapist going back and, and then going into coaching? I had to go through my own self-stigma about coaching is, a valid option for a retired therapist, 'cause we're trained at the very beginning of school, like, you need your license. You need the license. And as a coach, you don't need that, but I have all the skills and knowledge that I had when I was a therapist, and you still have more to give. I love that, 'cause that is exactly how I felt. I wanted to keep doing this thing that I loved, but in a way that fit my life now. Debbie? Yeah, I would say that it hasn't, for me, It took a bit. I was trying to do both for a long time, and trying to keep both going and it really dawned on me one… at one point, I'm not talking to the same people. I'm trying to get in front of parents, in a coaching capacity, and Most of my day is spent talking to a different group of people with different needs and, and something different that they're coming to me for. And so that was started shifting me,'cause I was realizing, through the insurance, my clients were the kids, but in coaching, my clients are the parents. And even though I was using the same program, it was all under the guise of, the kids. So I knew how to talk to the parents about, like, where their kids are at and what was going on with their kids, and I get it, and, and stuff. so there's… And then for the decision to leave what I was doing here, which was, like, my basic bread and butter, stuff and jump all in actually was, It took some coaching on from some help on my end with that. and I think I still, I'm still not sure. I still have my license. I'm still doing all this the continuing education, which is a bummer because we do all this education, I feel like, in building our business and coaching. It doesn't count for anything, in keeping our license. So I'm like, do I wanna keep doing this?" So I haven't quite, And I don't know if I will totally let go of it,'cause I have been asked to help with families in other states where they wanted to see that my license was valid even though it, they can't… I can't use it to help these other families. But it's… So I'm… I don't know. But I think it did take a moment of realizing, I'm, I can't, I'm not gonna be able to keep juggling both in the same way. And, reading, the 10X is better than 2X, that was… I remember exactly where I was on a road trip reading that going, "Oh my gosh," "I, I need to see this differently. I need to be all in here." So if nobody knows what that book is, I'll just tell you. It's 10X is Easier than 2X, and it's a book by, Dan Sullivan and Dr. Benjamin Hardy, and what she's referring to is, being able to amplify what you're doing. it is a good read. So go ahead. I think that diversification within career paths is still all the rage, right? We all want something else to add to life or to keep us interested in our careers. And so for therapists who are coaching curious that it's an excellent way to use skills and to expand your audience and expand your business if you're someone who owns your own business. So it's an excellent way to do that as well. I was one of those who was hiding until you actually brought it out that, you have all of this in your background. And so I wasn't even telling people that I still work in a clinic, but now I've moved from being a therapist to training the future clinical psychologists, I wasn't sharing any of that. and it wasn't until you gave me a good talking to that I began to say, "No, that, I put a lot of work into that." And so I really do need to use that. But the other thing I think is that, one, we need therapists to understand that when we walk alongside with coaches, oh my gosh, our clients get so much more out of it. And when coaches allow therapists to be in that space also, again, the winners are our clients, and so I think that if we can just find a way to bring those two together it would be so much better. People will move a lot faster through whatever it is they're working through because they meet with the therapist maybe once or twice a week, but then there needs to be someone to keep it going for them when they're not meeting with the therapist. And so there is a way to walk side by side and really benefit, for our clients. Oh, that is so good. So you guys, each of you give me a takeaway or something you want another therapist to know or something you want anybody listening to this to understand about the value of working with a therapist who is now a coach or whatever you wanna add. I'm gonna start with you, Erin. I would say that it's just to… that's a good question. It's really just to try. If there is a specialty that you have, a piece of what you're currently doing in your practice that you love that's more practical than, deep dive therapy, then embrace that a little. See if there's something there that might light you up in a way that you wanna focus in on that instead of… And then even if you're doing it at the same time as running your therapy practice, it gives you what I would like to call a win- a steady win. If you are working with coaching clients, as, as Jennifer said, you're setting goals and you're achieving goals. That's the whole point, and sometime when we're doing regular therapy, we get lost in all the other stuff going on, and it feels good to work with a client and check those goals off. it's worth the try I'll just say, you don't have to go back to school for it. there's not much risk, right? you have to learn some tech and you have to talk to people about your coaching, but it's not like you guys are already have invested so much in your education and, Jennifer, I know you're doing, did some specific coaching for therapists, but for the most part, you guys are already all qualified to be, coaches as well. the coaching's very low entry, like cost-wise. if you're thinking about like starting a new business, it's very reasonable, very obtainable, and flexible with, being able to do what you wanna do from just about anywhere and to work with people who you might not have been able to access before. I love working with clients and, with my therapy clients and starting to introduce coaching language into the session and to watch someone just perk up and notice the energy shift and have them go, "Oh, that's different. I've never thought of it that way." It's delightful to see and to collaborate with them on thinking in a new way. Oh, good. Okay, Dr. Michelle. Oh, I was just, agreeing with Erin that you get to focus on what you really love in therapy, like who you really love to work with. And this was a switch for me too. Like I don't know if the other therapists experienced it, but in my training, I was… I remember being taught like we can't really talk that much about what we do or about ourselves or advertise or, and you can't… You just have to be so careful, and stuff. But this is oh, I'm all in. Like this is what I do. This is who I help, and, I could talk to somebody in the grocery store, which you have to be a little careful when their kids are being terrible, But it just, there's so much more freedom in it and, and you get… I just love that you get to focus on what you really, what really does light you up and what you wanna do. Ah, so good. Marcia anything else you wanna add? I just wanted to add that being a coach is, gives, it gives me a lot more freedom because the others were saying, we're trained in a way not to engage with our clients. They're not our friends. They're off in a distance, They train us to sit so far back from the client. They train us in so many different ways. But one thing I wanted just to say is I didn't go into be a psychotherapist until I was, like, in my middle 30s. So prior to that, I had different experiences, I can bring the, all that into my coaching business. I worked as a general manager of a transient residential hotel in downtown Seattle. All those skills that I learned I can bring that to my clients and relate to them. Dr. Cheryl, you've got the floor. I love what everyone has shared especially around the education and the training that we have, and the skills and the experience of so many practicums and internships of working and being in the room, not only with individuals, but also groups, because that's one of the other parts of our training- is around how to provide group therapy. But I think all of that, we get to bring those skills and the practice in, and on top of that, we're able to recognize certain things when they show up in the room. being trained on how to work with stress. Stress is not a diagnosis unless it's, really, it's gone really far. But, I feel very skilled in being able to work with individuals around stress because of learning how to be a therapist, and it really is the fear that out, that is out there is really about trying to figure out how do I, stay out of that lane of a therapist? And I think that's the first step for someone who wants to get into, go, from providing therapy or being a therapist to a coach. It really is about learning, how to stay out of that lane when you're in the coach lane and how to stay out of the therapy lane when you're in the coach lane, and I think that's where the biggest fear comes up. Yeah. I agree. Well, you guys, thank you so much. Thanks, Debbie. I wish we had another hour, and we'll just come back together again and talk more about this. I hope this has inspired other therapists to explore coaching because I'm a lover of coaching, and I know these ladies are, too, and there's just an incredible opportunity that awaits anybody who's interested. I will leave all of these coaches their information in the description below so you can connect with them personally. But anyway, thank you ladies so much for doing the work that you do, and thanks for being our guests. I appreciate you guys. Make sure you subscribe for more.

Debbie Shadid https://www.DebbieShadid.com
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